Menu card for The Flying Scotsman 8th November 1957
The Talisman
It is always fascinating to come across old menus and, in particular, old wine lists. Here are a couple of examples from a time when rail travel could be glamorous. Here are two examples from November 1957 from two of the named express trains running from London Kings Cross station to Edinburgh.
The Flying Scotsman still runs but now only one way leaving Edinburgh at 5.40 am and arriving in London four hours later. The Talisman, however, has long gone.
Back in 1957 you could settle down to a proper meal, although relatively expensive, with an intriguing selection of wines:
Four course lunch for 9/6 (240 pennies to the £ or 20 shillings to £)
Menu (below)
The wine list
Once again an old wine list demonstrates how prices 50 years ago were much closer together now than they were. This is most starkly demonstrated by the decidedly tempting 1949 Château Pichon-Longueville-Lalande for 17/6 (82.5p in today’s money) – the same price as an anonymous Beaune and 2/6 more than an anonymous Sauternes – 15/-.
Interesting to see that Champagne is markedly more expensive than any other wine type – a 1945 Louis Roederer for 47/6 (£2.35 in current decimal money) and even the NV Champagne – St Marceaux for 37/6. Curiously there are no German wines listed, although there is an Alsatian Sylvaner at 16/-.
Also interesting to see the two Spanish wines: Graves Type and Burgundy Type. Once the UK joined the EU we had to respect appellation contrôlée rules etc. Equally South African Pearl Amber Hock and Australian Emu Burgundy would now be a no-no!
All aboard!
Jim, I quite agree with your comments about the major change in the scale of wine prices since those days. The gap between the least and the most expensive wines on a restaurant list today can be anything up to 1 to 100. This has never been so big. Also your comment on Champagne being the most expensive. I have a wine list from the Grand Hotel in Paris dated 1900 which shows that major brand non-vintage Champagnes sold for the same price as Château Lafite. The only French wine selling for a bit more is Montrachet (without a producer’s name of course). The most expensive wines are German and sweet. Overall the gap between the cheapest and the most expensive is I to 2 !
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I saw a tariff from the late 1920’s the other day (a Paris equivalent of Fauchon): Haut-Brion 30 francs, Issan 25, Gazin 10, Coutet 12, Loubes 13, Branaire-Ducru 13, Ducru-Beaucaillou 24, Montrose 16, Cheval Blanc 40 to 60 (according to the vintage, the 1920 was 60 F), Rauzan-Ségla 14 to 18, Latour 36.
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I saw a,tariff … but I never killed an invitee!
Cool, Rasta man Hervé.
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Thanks David. I was surprised that there were no German wines listed as they were very popular during this era.
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Thank you for converting them bloody imperial currencies into s’thing understandable, Jim. But how much was it to a guinea, and to a crown? When I first landed in Britain (1969 I think, « année érotique » in more than one respect), they were (YOU were, actually) shifting from old pennies to the new pence, five equalling six!
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Luc a Guinea was 21/- so £1 and a shilling. a Crown 5/- (five shillings) and Half-a-Crown – 2/6 (two shillings and six pence). Nice and simple!
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Lovely article. I like your use of the menu cards as historical records.
Remembering my youth though, I think that the price in decimal money of the ‘1945 Louis Roederer of 47/6 should be £2.375, which to me is not ‘just under £4 current decimal money’, but more like ‘just under £2.50 current decimal money’.
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David. You are quite right – my error! I amended to £2.35.
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Same thing with the score board in a game of tennis. You need a large quantity of Quarts-de-Chaume (handpicked and without chilling machine) in order to understand its arithmetics. When you win a rally, it earns you 15 points. Why not, after all? When you win two, your total amounts to 30. So far so good. A third victory … and all crashes: only 40 points! Go and try to explain this to my very own butcher! Yet another winning point and, you pocket a … game. But it takes many games to win a set, and quite a few sets prior to claiming final victory! You people are an insane bunch of blokes.
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It’s just not cricket, Luc…….
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Luc’s team: 256 for 8 declared. Jim’s team: 257 for 5. Jim’s team won the game by 5 wickets. Got it now Luc?
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Rain check!
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Too many numbers. What about the choosen wines ?
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